Discord server shut down? #132
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I was just yeeted off of the Suyu discord, invite seems invalid as well, was it shut down?
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Discord took action against both the suyu discord and the Sudachi discord, most likely after pressure from big N.
It was a community guidelines strike, nothing due to nintendo most likely
i can make a guided since they don't pull that type of bs or maybe someone can make a new discord? someone on the team
And that is why you shouldn't use Discord at all. Is just a ticking bomb. Same applies for almost any centralized big service.
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I wish more open source software/projects like Pretendo and the SpotPass Archival Project used Open Source IM platforms like Revolt or Matrix.
Even a forum would be good to keep everything more organized
Guilded? Is not open source.
Are we swapping to matrix then?
Guided allows for anything they don't care at all cause china
that being said revolt is a thing as well
I thing Matrix is a good option because it is decentralized and can be self-hosted.
https://github.com/revoltchat it has a flatpak and easy to use for the end user also self hosted by whoever makes it so it's decentralized and has the same features as discord mostly
100% agree
We are currently evaluating options for self-hosted communities. Presently we are considering these:
If anyone has any suggestions that satisfy these requirements:
Please let me know. Matrix doesn't fit these requirements as it doesn't really have communities, only rooms.
Consider making ##suyu or #suyu on LiberaChat. Or EFNet or Rizon. Preferably LiberaChat. Then you can have a chat relay system to other platforms. I personally don't see the need for the other features that IRC doesn't have.
I'd like to recommend using Revolt as well. It's like Discord but with freedom
Revolt is winning!
Revolt is good i think
Revolt would be best for me since I already have an account there
Guilded also quite popular as well
Guilded is owned by Roblox tho - they'd cave in faster than Discord
Use Revolt. But Make Sure We Are A Self Hosting The Revolt Instance. And We Should Also Have Backup Chat Methods Incase Anything Goes Wrong like irc
The problem with self-hosted revolt is that you can't use your existing revolt login and AFAIK you can't use the desktop client. If people wanted to use the desktop client we'd have roll a custom build. That's kind of inconvenient. I'm leaning more towards Mattermost.
I'm on Revolt and Matrix already, but i can register on mattermost as well, just waiting.
Revolt is a shitty idea, especially when they only actual argument for it is that it lets devs make bots - something every other platform does. Other arguments I saw were that it does markdown (something everyone else does), it lets you have animated avatars and free banners, and other junk shit that's not actually relevant to choosing a chat platform.
Here's my argument for Matrix:
First, Matrix allows people to sign up through many instances and use it for other chats. It's common in the FOSS community, so FOSS developers are likely to have Matrix accounts already. Using it on the regular will help streamline things into one app for FOSS developers.
Secondly, I saw some misinformation that Matrix doesn't have communities? This is factually incorrect. Matrix has communities in the way of spaces, wherein a bunch of rooms (channels) are grouped together for people to join and leave, view and close ad-hoc. It gives users control over what they see and what they don't (i.g. similar to Discord's hide/show channels feature?)
Thirdly, Matrix, through official means, has the ability to bridge to the much more popular (than even discord) chat apps, Whatsapp and FB Messenger. Depending on the future of the EU's DMA, this may extend to other platforms such as iMessage, which so far has weasled out of compliance, but I'm sure this is only a temporary setback.
That's my argument. Take it or leave it.
But for the love of Jesus L. Christ, don't pick a platform with any consideration of how user profiles appear. That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
I tried Mattermost but it ended up being too corporate and not suitable for our purposes. Revolt is giving me some issues. I might try Rocket Chat also.
Revolt at least for me is just a clone of discord but that can be self hosted and is more private, at functionality its the same thing.
and i dont like too much because there is not much development in Revolt, if there is some security issue, you are on your own, the last and i think the only build that revolt did was on 2022.
from privacy POV and self hosted option that i hear every developer use and even activists, that you know its a good and hardcore project we know its good its undoubtely matrix.
I set up Rocket.Chat. It's available at https://chat.suyu.dev
So after
96f822d13f,73e135bf4aand2b16baf506, there is now a Rocket.Chat instance, correct?The lack of justification for not going with Matrix (used or bridged by almost every F/OSS project out there) is a little perplexing.
Matrix has "spaces" which are equivalent, as mentioned above.
P.S. Just like most people, I kind of did foresee the Discord ban coming. It would be great to have more details on the matter from Discord itself whenever available.
exactly, matrix is the ultimate choice for people who are getting censored.
no one can be banned from there, and you can literally host your own matrix server, it's lightweight and it will make sure that the big N dont get in touch with the project.
yeah, there's literally no reason to not choose it over Revolt.
That's not true. It was a misunderstanding generated by update 6.5.0, which offered Community Edition users a free trial through a plan called Starter. These users could and can revert to using the Community Edition if they wish, as most likely did. You can read more about this misunderstanding here: https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/issues/31149
A comparison between the Community Edition and the Starter version would be: https://8859759.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/8859759/Rocket.Chat%20Community%20vs.%20Starter%20plan.pdf
Unfortunately, Rocket.Chat's website does not mention the Community Edition on /pricing, making it seem like such a possibility does not exist (Rocket.Chat's focus has shifted to something exclusively commercial and not community-oriented, it seems), but that is not a problem for self-hosting.
My personal recommendation: XMPP. There are many servers and many clients available. It supports federation and requires low hardware power to self-host the server. As a client, I recommend Conversations for Android and Gajim for Microsoft Windows and GNU/Linux. As a web client, you could use https://conversejs.org/ for example.
There is no perfect solution. Matrix, Rocket.Chat, Revolt, etc. all have their drawbacks. I agree that Rocket.Chat is not the perfect solution.
Matrix "spaces" are just not suitable for a project like this from a moderation perspective. I'm also of the opinion that the state of Matrix clients is disappointing. There's many of them I'm yet to use one that functions properly.
With regards to foreseeing the Discord ban coming, everyone did. I tried to convince people to move to something else but they fell for the sunk cost fallacy of "we've already set it up now".
Rocket.Chat is a single use application only usable by accessing chat.suyu.dev and leaving that page open in your browser indefinitely. It's among the worst solutions.
What does this even mean? As is the rocket.chat does not even need moderation because nobody uses it. At least with a matrix, people would be able to access it with a client they already have. Yes, the regular fanboys might have a hard time using another app - a problem rocket.chat has as well, but people who actually contribute to FLOSS in particular are generally familiar with matrix.
Element functions properly. Have your disappointment all you want, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't function.